Barrett on CNN
I'm not thrilled at the ending, where they claim that the university is "standing up for the right to teach controversial ideas." As I have said elsewhere, 1+1=7 is controversial, too.
posted by Pat @ 8:01 AM
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Too bad he's not working at UCLA :)
I do not condone violence, but I would say that Barrett, through losing his position at the school, should be taught a lesson.
If i recall, his course was not placed on this upcoming semesters corriculum (read this somewhere), and so it will not be an issue from now on? Am I miss informed?
TAM
I really feel bad for you, pdoherty. My condolences.
Kevin Barrett is a true american hero and patriot.
In 200 years the history books will have him in stature alongside the founding fathers. Same with alex jones.
They are better men than you terrorist sympathising skeptics
Jeez, that sure isn't a transparent attempt to start a flame war.
TAM, Barrett's course is introductory and apparently there's no second semester equivalent, so he could be hired back next fall.
Pat:
Could being the optional word. Unlikely I'd say.
PD:
The vast majority of the american public believes the official account of 9/11, so you are calling them terrorist sympathizers as well. Nice to see what you think of the american public.
As for a flame war, that would only happen if I felt the opinion was from someone that meant something (and PD does not), and was derogatory in nature (which his comments were). Since both criteria are not filled, I will not engage in such.
TAM
Right now I do not have the desire to show you a reference. Now I am sure you will say my claim is baseless, and that is fine...go ahead.
If you honestly believe that the majority of americans DO NOT believe that 19 Hijackers working for AL-Qaeda committed the 9/11 attacks, than you are a bigger fool than I thought you were (which is significant in itself).
TAM
The CTs simultaneously claim that the majority of Americans believe in a government conspiracy, and that the media won't cover it because it is too controversial.
Huh?
Yet, they can only get 25 members of their most prominent group to even vote on an on-line poll.
Boggle:
I appreciate the offer, but I have not focused on her at all. When I heard she admitted to never having been involved with Atta, I wrote her off as a complete fraud. I am sure you could trounce me in terms of info on her, but unless she comes forward and admits to being cohersed in to denying a relationship with Atta, i consider all she said on the matter to be untrustworthy.
If you want to debate the issue, JREF has a number of qualified "Keller" experts, as I am sure you are aware.
TAM
among those who are not highly socialized to the mass media ways of talking about things, i'd like to point out that people are not entirely opposed to the idea that the government might have done 9/11
you can say this is an uneducated position but i find it to be true
These forums really aren't the best place to be practicing free association.
"10 years from now, very few people will remember Alex Jones, Kevin Barret, and other nuts. They will still proclaim that the government is taking away your rights, even though they use those same exact rights to preach on government tax dollars, and will be viewed alongside with the Holocaust Deniers and Moon Land hoaxers."
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I would say the only problem I have with this from Markyx is that you give AJ and the gang maybe a little too much credit. When you really think about it, nobody gives a shit about Alex Jones. I doubt even half the people in Austin have even heard of him. And outside of Texas, I'm pretty sure just about nobody has heard of him, because nobody cares about him and the bullshit he spews out. But if P'doh would like to think that he'll be in the history books, I guess we can just let him. The jokes on him anyway.
"I please see your source for the statemant that the vast majority of americans believe th official story of 911?"
Well, let's see. We just had an election. There were a bunch of Denier candidates running. How many won?
Hmmm. I'm drawing a blank on the winners.
Read the quote right above yours p'doh. In fact, how many denier candidates even got 5% of the vote? I wouldn't be surprised if some did, but wouldn't be surprised if none of them did either. Just 5%. How many?
In fact the chairman of the 911 omission has admitted norad lied to them. So now 100 per cent of the population know it isnt all true
Nobody ever said it is all true. You come up with a 600 page report on anything and there will be problems with it. That doesn't mean they think Dick Cheney did it.
Bubbers, depending on how one qualifies the Denier candidates (they claimed some who gave no hint on sharing their beliefs), one, Robert Bowman on Florida got 44% of the vote. The key to his "success" was getting the Democratic nomination in his district, so he got a lot of generic Democratic voters and plus his Republican opponent was radical bible thumper David Weldon, some of the newspapers that endorsed Weldon made it clear they were picking him only because they considered Bowman too ridiculous.
I wrote her off as a complete fraud
...despite all of the contradictory evidence behind Atta and Keller's relationship. That is exactly how the OS community works. If it doesn't fit their theory, IGNORE IT! Besides Keller has already admitted that the FBI has harrased and intimidated her along with other eyewitnesses to their relationship. But nevermind, ignore it.
You just have to love that reasoning. Hell that is the same type of thought process governing our country today.
You come up with a 600 page report on anything and there will be problems with it.
Great way of minimizing the fact that representatives of a government orgazniation lied in testimony to the 9/11 Commissions. Not just a problem with the report, kid, but the problem of lying about your testimony for whatever reason. Considering the almost complete lack of air cover in America on 9/11, one might be inclined to ask why NORAD lied to the 9/11 commission.
ah PD;
I agree. I am one of those who believes the USG has lied, IN SOME WAY, about the events of 9/11.
What I said was that the majority of americans believe the official account. I guess I should have been clearer.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BELIEVE THAT THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE CARRIED OUT BY AL-QAEDA, VIA 19 ARAB HIJACKERS, WHO SMASHED THEIR HIJACKED PLANES INTO THE WTCS, THE PENTAGON, AND CRASHED ONE IN SHANKSVILLE.
TAM
If I thought that having another investigation, this one independent of the USG (and independent of the truth movement) would change the "truthers" minds even slightly, I would be game, but I don't think all the "independent investigations" in the universe would do that...
TAM
Swing Dangler:
Great way of minimizing the fact that representatives of a government orgazniation lied in testimony to the 9/11 Commissions.
Great way to ignore the fact that it was the Commission which uncovered and reported the lies, and that the dishonesty rather doesn't help 9/11 deniers. Ironically this sort of thing is patently grounds for legitimate complaint against NORAD and the Pentagon but you jobbers are part of the problem, aiding the liars and incompetent boobs by gleefully strutting around saying crazy wild things and minimising the importance and relevence of the 9/11 Commission.
pdoherty76 said...
bubbers its got nothing to do with election candidates.
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Oh really? I would say that it's perfectly reasonable to say that if some 60-80% of Americans believe the CT, that at least one if not all of the denier candidates would win, don't you? That's just common sense. So actually, it has a lot more to do with it than you would like to think. And nice statistic there Condesmo. The fact that all of the papers chose not to endorse Bowman because of his crazy beliefs in favor of some Bible thumper just goes to show that nobody wants to be associated with these clowns.
Ironically this sort of thing is patently grounds for legitimate complaint against NORAD and the Pentagon but you jobbers are part of the problem,
Yeah so what is your point that we agree on something?
But you want to twist to justify the importance of 9/11 Commish? Try reading the entire report, Rev, and then you can defend them.
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