Who Is Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre?
I was perusing over at the Loosers forum, and I discovered that our conspiratorial friends had found yet another smoking gun, a supposed retired Colonel with the rather unusual name of Donn de Grand-Pre. They described him, in an interview (from Feb. 2004) with conspiracy guru Alex Jones, as thus:
Former military pilot and chief arms negotiator for the Middle East Col. Don de Grand-Pre alleges many HUGE details of the 9/11 attacks.
Apparentely Mr de Grand-Pre has all the connections, and for years now has been spilling the inside beans on what really happened on 9/11. In fact it even earned him a mention in the famous Popular Mechanics issue. But here is more from the interview showing his connections:
Well, I'm in personal contact at least on a weekly basis with the Joint Chiefs and other select people. My computation is that 70% of us are with us. That's the higher ranking military, field grade officers, etc. and even the first three grades of the enlisted ' 70% are with us.Now from personal experience, I can vouch that in fact, 70% of PV1's, PV2's and PFC's, are not "with them", but who is this guy? If he supposedly is powerful enough to be in touch with the Joint Chiefs (he claims General Hugh Shelton is a good friend) then why haven't we heard from him before, other than a few wacky conspiracy sites?
Having looked into the backgrounds of these supposed experts before and found them to largely be complete frauds, deniers of historical facts, and lunatics who believe we are testing anti-matter weapons on Jupiter, I am a little suspicious of his claims.
According to his Alex Jones interview, he served with the OSS in World War II, and later returned as an infantry airborne officer during the Korean War, and is a retired Army Colonel. Impressive spook credentials.
However he is also listed as a retired Air Force Officer, which is it?
Contact Info:
Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre (USAF retired, OSS)
Nonfiction author of 9-11-2001 history:
And Marine Corp Colonel. This guy really gets around.
It's been more than 25 years since retired Marine Col. Donn de Grand Pre toed the military line, but since 911 a sense of duty and honor or what he calls in Marine lingo Sempre Fi"[sic] or "Always Faithful" thrust him back into public service.He supposedly spent decades working with the top levels of the American defense establishment, but I can find no mention of him in any official capacity. He has written several books. Amazingly though, in an astonishing bit of modesty, neither his book covers, nor his Amazon entry list any sort of military rank.
What do we know about him then? Well look, what a surprise, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial:
Donn is retired military. Served in WWII and the Korean "police action". Stated reason for the book: to sound the alarm, U.S. military is being downsized, downgraded, degraded and demoralized. Barbarians/Bolshivists in charge hold the highest ranks of military office. While we find his suggested remedy frightening, he makes a case. Highly recommended reading for its documented historical facts that fill in many blanks; i.e. Swedish Jew, D. D. Eisenhower's rise to power, responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Germans post WWII; Holocaust hoax planned in 1919; history of Israel's creation/ creators; ongoing media blitz foments animosity toward Arabs.. the real Semites. Published in 2000, Barbarians brings us to present day.But remember, just because most of the people who propose these 9/11 theories are complete frauds and nutcases, that doesn't discredit their arguments...
posted by James B. @ 1:20 PM
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60 Comments:
Exactly inside. I have yet to see a post here about the 5 dancing Israelis. All they concentrate on is the purely speculative aspects of this conspiracy and leave out major chunks that could answer who, when, were and why.
you tend to ignore vast majority of the movement, focusing on the disinfo video Loose Change, which, like de Grand-Pre, advances the biggest red herring out there: the Pentagon-missile hoax.
You utter morons, you can't just throw out the strawman that it's disinformation just because it's so easily refuted. All of the JFK conspiracies are based on ludicrous and misleading evidence, so does that make that whole movement a disinformation campagin?
Is it my fault that I can't find a single conspiracy theorist "expert" who isn't a nutjob?
I have yet to see a post here about the 5 dancing Israelis.
You're a fucking liar. I specificaly remember a thread dealing with that idiotic rumour, and you were front and center, defending your beleifs that the Evil Zionists blew up the world trade center and then decided to have a dance party in the streets.
Can someone explain to me why some Isreali's acting like dicks means the Mossad is involved? I mean, did someone find a secret Mossad building demolition manual where the final pages say:
Step 432: Having planted the explosives and set the detonators without any witnesses, exit the building without being seen.
Step 433: Enter your transport vehicle and go to an area where you can watch the disaster.
Step 434: Get out of your truck and dance on it.
I mean, huh?
Now it's 5 Israelis? Another CT on this blog claimed in a comment to me that it was 8 Israelis.
Only 5 were detained by FBI, that's a fact.
I specificaly remember a thread dealing with that idiotic rumour, and you were front and center, defending your beleifs that the Evil Zionists blew up the world trade center and then decided to have a dance party in the streets.
Idiotic rumor? I think not:
The White Van, source ABC News
However, they weren't Mossad agents.
Yes they were!!!!
But these guys were part of a greater Israeli infiltration group that had been casing out military installation disguised as "Art Students" on the months leading up to 9/11. All of this is documented.
www.911myths.com
That site is ridiculous speculation and opinion and very lacking in actual facts.
It was 5. The ADL has an article on it.
http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf
Its also no shock that Bollyn is one of the authors sited.
ADL is a criminal organization that has been proven to have spied and intimidated Americans. Anything they say is suspect.
Can someone explain to me why some Isreali's acting like dicks means the Mossad is involved? I mean, did someone find a secret Mossad building demolition manual where the final pages say:
These guys were part of a second operation that was thwarted by police. There were more than 1 white vans on that day but the only one that the press picked up was the this particular one in Jersey.
The set up involved calling 9/11 with bombing threats and then detonation the vans. However, because these guys got picked up first, the police decided to close off the bridges and tunnels and the others were caught before they had a chance to act.
The above 5 got caught with fake passports, thousands in cash, box cutters and Arab disguises. That's why the FBI held them for so long until their Zionist collaborators in the State Department got them all released to Israel where they could avoid US prosecution in connection with 9/11. Funny how no Arabs were caught on 9/11 but there are more than a few Israelis that got nabbed.
That's enough out of you. You need to get rid of that moustache if you expect anyone to take you seriously.
You have ironclad proof of this? Or is this just wishful thinking?
You have ironclad proof of this? Or is this just wishful thinking?
Well, these guys got caught! What more proof do you want? After two wars, did Osama get caught?
Read here, it's all pretty conclusive:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
Follow his sources if you don't believe him. Israel has been pulling off these kinds of attacks since their inception, that's a fact too!
http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm
Is Rivero too stupid to realize this?
11:28 AM
Well let's see. There are links there to the "conspiracy" stories but no links to valid .gov sites supporting this "declassification" do you have such links to support what were are being told here?
Well, these guys got caught! What more proof do you want?
Caught doing what? Dancing on their van? That's not a crime, its being a jerk.
You've made assertions that these guys were part of a second operation and yet what kind of spies from a professional agency would stop and dance on their van when they have work to do?
So what do you have? A boxcutter? I have two in my car. Cash? Not impressed. Fake passports? That makes them illegal immigrants, not Mossad agents.
This does not add up to anything. Your prejudices do not make them Mossad agents, let alone Mossad agents determined to commit terrorist attacks in the USA.
That article wasn't written by 9/11 myths. Its not about the dancing Jooos. Its more a take down of antiwar's silly article about the art students. Its more in detail about the leaked document on the art students. (And adresses some of Carl Camerons speculation)
Who the hell is Bruce Rolston and why is this not just HIS opinion without supporting citations? At least Justin cites his articles every step of the way. This is yet another hoodwink job by the good folks at 911myths. I reiterate nothing there but opinion and conjecture.
I reiterate nothing there but opinion and conjecture
Oh, the irony.
Caught doing what? Dancing on their van? That's not a crime, its being a jerk.
1. Arab disguises
2. thousands in cash
3. phony passports
4. bomb sniffing dogs when crazy where they entered the van.
Um.. Why did the FBI hold these guys for so long? Were the FBI part of the "conspiracy" theorists?
Oh, the irony.
No, the truth, like no such thing as "Al Qaeda." That is purely conjecture, speculation and media booga-booga.
Here's an addition article on it
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A8381
Unless I read this too fast or wrong, this article proves what I'm saying:
Along with our Tampa sister paper, Weekly Planet, CL was the first American newspaper to obtain, substantially quote from and publish a confidential 60-page Drug Enforcement Administration document detailing the apparent spying by Israeli "art students" who tried to gain access to sensitive federal buildings, military bases and intelligence officials' homes.
Hummmm???
1. Arab disguises
What exactly is an "arabic disguise"?
2. thousands in cash
Not proof of anything.
3. phony passports
They are very likely illegals.
4. bomb sniffing dogs when crazy where they entered the van.
So far the only article you've posted that says this is a rather suspcious 'whatreallyhappened'. Not exaclty a reliable source. Do you have a better one?
Even if true, this doesn't even begin to come up to the level of 'weak case'. Its pathetic to try and turn these elements into an opeartion against the US.
Um.. Why did the FBI hold these guys for so long?
Because Isrealis do have a rather Mediterranian appearance, and identities can take time to confirm. Plus, they were using forged passports. They may also have been involved in illegal (non-terrorist) activities.
Were the FBI part of the "conspiracy" theorists?
Its sounds like they were being thorough. That doesn't make 911 into a Mossad operation.
Seriously, if this is your best evidence, you might as pack up your prejudices now. These guys were not caught doing anything that can be construed as being part of an attack on the US.
Nesnyc really comes out in full force when it's Teh Joos!!!
Joos, Joos
Always effin' Joos
Makin' a conspiracy
Shit in my shoes.
Hey Shill, don't be dumb
Can't you see it's Jooooooos?!?!
Whooa
(2nd verse, same as the first)
Because Isrealis do have a rather Mediterranian appearance, and identities can take time to confirm. Plus, they were using forged passports. They may also have been involved in illegal (non-terrorist) activities.
Oh yeah... Do you know these guys complained to their embassy and said the FBI was torturing them? Why would FBI agents go to such length for "innocent" mistaken identity type people unless they had some other stuff on them we don't know about? But this whole thing is hush, hush. ABC covered (spin control) this story but there is a lot more. On that day, the police stopped a van full of explosives on the GWB!!! The police, as the buildings were burning, stopped a van on King St. and caught some more Israelis!!!! Come on guy, put 2 + 2 together there.
Joos, Joos
Always effin' Joos
Makin' a conspiracy
Shit in my shoes.
Hey Shill, don't be dumb
Can't you see it's Jooooooos?!?!
Whooa
Keep your day job.
From the Jpost later that day/night:
The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge. Of Course, the Post did not reveal the true ethnicity of the suspects. Here’s what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (12)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jpost.html
On that day, the police stopped a van full of explosives on the GWB!!!
Your link does not support what you say.
The police, as the buildings were burning, stopped a van on King St. and caught some more Israelis!!!!
A van on King street. Good thing never happens. Sorry bucko, but I've seen this claim before, the van with the 'mural of the plane flying into the towers' on its side. Oh, and the van exploded too, right, and the NYPD covered it all up? Pardon me while I laugh.
This is little more than part of the chaos and confusion surrounding events that day.
Come on guy, put 2 + 2 together there.
When get something remotely close to 2 + 2 I'll happily put it together, but nonsense about exploding trucks on King street and fake claims about explosive laden trucks don't qualify.
Your material depend on your racism for support, and you also depend on unreliable reports that came in during the confusion of that day. In the meantime, you have failed utterly to prove any part of the 911 attacks were Mossad operations.
NYPD covered it all up? Pardon me while I laugh.
Listen to the radio transmission, all the proof you need is there. Cover-up? Nah... on 9/11? LOL..
King St. Audio here:
MP3
More on the exploding van on King St. BTW, if you listen to the transmissions, you'll know the Police caught these guys, so why haven't we heard about it?
Confirming the Exploding-Mural-Van Coverup
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring."
BTW, if these were Arabs that got nabbed, the propaganda value would be enormous wouldn't it? This happened and the only reason why it was quietly swept under the run is because these guys must have been Israeli.
On that day, the police stopped a van full of explosives on the GWB!!! The police, as the buildings were burning, stopped a van on King St. and caught some more Israelis!!!! Come on guy, put 2 + 2 together there
It's true because I use exclamation points!!!!!
My name is NESNYC!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Listen to the radio transmission, all the proof you need is there. Cover-up? Nah... on 9/11? LOL..
They say the van exploded on King Street. No civilians noticed during or afterwards. I find that unlikely, and unproven.
They say the van exploded on King Street. No civilians noticed during or afterwards. I find that unlikely, and unproven.
Did you know how restricted ALL of lower Manhattan was after 9/11? The entire area was shut down for at least a week. Also they caught two guys and beat them up on the spot! The MTI piece corroborates that this indeed took place, it's all on the tape, it's hard to hear but it's there. Listen again.
It's true because I use exclamation points!!!!!
My name is NESNYC!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for admitting you’ve run out of ammo and ideas.
Thanks for admitting you’ve run out of ammo and ideas.
This coming from the guy who's constantly parroting the JOOOOS did it!!!!!!!!
www.911myths.com
That site is ridiculous speculation and opinion and very lacking in actual facts.
You guys say that a lot, but I have found every link I have read on it logical and well sourced, and since none of you have ever pointed out a case where they are lying or being deceptive, as opposed to the dozens of times that even many of the conspiracy theorists admit Loose Change is lying, then I will have to be skeptical of your claims.
Did you know how restricted ALL of lower Manhattan was after 9/11? The entire area was shut down for at least a week.
Not as much as you might think. People live there, and they have businesses there. Plenty of aid workers were in that area during that time as well.
I doubt you've even talked to one New York.
Also they caught two guys and beat them up on the spot! The MTI piece corroborates that this indeed took place, it's all on the tape, it's hard to hear but it's there. Listen again.
You really think they could hide a bomb going off in Manhatten, with just with a few restrictions? Sorry, that does not pass the sniff test.
"Did you know how restricted ALL of lower Manhattan was after 9/11? The entire area was shut down for at least a week."
I worked down there at the time. As long as you had work id, you could be as close to ground zero as you needed to be.
Also, people lived there. It's not some giant office building down there.
Uh, nesnyc, FOUR were detained, not five. They weren't art students, they were working for a moving company. They weren't members of the Mossad, either.
BTW, if these were Arabs that got nabbed, the propaganda value would be enormous wouldn't it?
Arabs already committed the greatest terrorist attack in human history, we really needed that little extra edge to get everyone pissed?
Arabs already committed the greatest terrorist attack in human history, we really needed that little extra edge to get everyone pissed?
Well, there's absolutely NO proof Arabs pulled off 9/11 other than a spectacular media disinformation campaign. But we know for sure Israelis were arrested and detained on and after 9/11 in connection with the attack. Those are simply facts you cannot deny.
Uh, nesnyc, FOUR were detained, not five. They weren't art students, they were working for a moving company. They weren't members of the Mossad, either.
Wrong, there were 5 widely reported. READ HERE.
Also, there WERE INDEED Mossad.
Now, I'm not saying that these guys were art students, but they were part of that group that came over to spy on American military installations, art students or not.
Well, there's absolutely NO proof Arabs pulled off 9/11 other than a spectacular media disinformation campaign.
Oh except them on video tape, calls from the people on the planes, the capture of the mastermind of the plot (Khalid Shaikh Mohammed), al-Qaeda's confession, a history of terrorist violence (this modern era starting one day in September when they slaughtered the Israeli Olympic team)...you're right, there's no evidence whatsoever.
It's funny when someone spouting lies and non-evidence calls the truth a disinformation campaign.
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."
Now nesnyc, don't believe the Jew.
Nesnyc, I took a look at that article that proves that they were Mossad, and the only place that I saw that said that these israelis were intelligence was from a questionable article using no quotes.
I did see a direct quote that implied that some israelis were thought to be intelligence, but not these 5 specifically.
If you could point me to the specific sentence that you think proves this, I'd appreciate it.
Oh except them on video tape, calls from the people on the planes, the capture of the mastermind of the plot (Khalid Shaikh Mohammed), al-Qaeda's confession, a history of terrorist violence (this modern era starting one day in September when they slaughtered the Israeli Olympic team)...you're right, there's no evidence whatsoever.
The "mastermind?" Yeah, what, half a world away in a country known for getting confessions via torture? Okay. Everything else is not solid physical proof.
Face it, Israelis were caught in direct involvement with events of that day. They were also caught before and after the events. To date, no Arab has been caught directly involved unless he was forced to "confess" whereas Israelis get caught with the goods!
Additionally, the passengers "claimed" the "hijackers" were simply "Middle Eastern." FBI director Mueller stated the identities of the so called hijackers could not be positively established. In other words, were they even really there? We know for a fact an Israeli intelligence officer was on one of the planes by the name of Daniel Lewin, this fact also been solidly and irrefutably established.
whereas Israelis get caught with the goods!
What 'goods'. Where are the bombs? Where are plans to hijack planes? Where are the confessions to kill massive amounts of people? So far you've produced is some cash, some ill-defined 'arabic costumes', and some faked passports (which are an immigration issue without any further evidence). The rest of your van stories are incomplete, fabricated, or just one of the many false stories that came out in the chaos of that day.
To cover these evidential shortcomings, you pull out the Mossad as if it were some kind of magic get out of jail free card. Combine that with your rampant racism, is it any wonder your stories are not taken seriously?
Zacarias Moussaoui admitted he was directly involved and he (to my knowledge)wasn't tortured.
No, Moussaoui wasn't tortured. He only had a stun belt in court, just in case ;)
No Israelis were caught in direct involvement with events of that day. We've gone over all of them.
FALSE.
FALSE.
You have a funny and very loose definition of 'Direct Involvement'. That doesn't even qualify as indirect, it isn't even tagentially related. Even if that were all spies (and that isn't proven by any means) You'll need better evidence of involvement than 'dancing on a truck'.
That doesn't even qualify as indirect, it isn't even tagentially related.
Again:
1. Thousands in cash
2. fake passports
3. Maps of the city with terror targets circled
4. Telling the cops they were there to "cover" the event
5. Bomb sniffing dogs go crazy in the vans
6. Other vans busted in similar circumstances
7. One even blows up!
8. Moving company is a known Mossad front
9. FBI tortured them
10. They all flee to Israel, especially moving company owner that wasn't even part of the 5 that were busted!
If you don't smell a rat there, then you are truly a lost cause.
1. Thousands in cash
What exactly is "thousands"? I was carrying $3,000 in cash a couple days ago. Does that count as thousands?
2. fake passports
Yeah, that's REAL unusual in New York.
3. Maps of the city with terror targets circled
Really? Would you like to provide a copy of these maps, or are we just supposed to trust you because you've been so accurate in the past?
4. Telling the cops they were there to "cover" the event
Really? Would you like to provide a link to some testimony, or are we just supposed to trust you because you've been so accurate in the past?
5. Bomb sniffing dogs go crazy in the vans
I could just ask you for evidence again, but instead I'll just tell you that I had bomb sniffing dogs go apeshit on me after I returned from a firing range.
6. Other vans busted in similar circumstances
Evidence? Preferably not from a blog or a CT site?
7. One even blows up!
Witnesses?
8. Moving company is a known Mossad front
Known by whom? You?
9. FBI tortured them
Evidence?
10. They all flee to Israel, especially moving company owner that wasn't even part of the 5 that were busted!
Your employees all get arrested by the FBI, and you're in the country illegaly. Hrm. Yep, it makes absolutely no sense to run away.
4. Telling the cops they were there to "cover" the event
They said no such thing.
8. Moving company is a known Mossad front
No it isn't. (And hint: MOSSAD isn't all the intelligence in Israel.)
9. FBI tortured them
They're suing the government for imprisonment without charges, no mention of torture.
10. They all flee to Israel, especially moving company owner that wasn't even part of the 5 that were busted!
...they were released and went back to their home country. And I'm sure the owner wanted to get busted for hiring illegals.
Well, James B., I can say without a doubt you seem to have NOT read any of the Colonel's books.
I can also say that you are blowing smoke up the wrong kilt.
I happen to be a personal friend of Col. Donn de Grand Pre.
What is your true purpose in writing this page?
I see from your profile you are a Chief Warrant Officer in the Army National Guard. That is interesting.
But could it be that you might also be a paid shill trying to discredit a true American patriot? You are already in the pay of the gov't so a little shift in your operations is no big deal.
So, you have been a team player in the Army for how many years? Chief Warrant Officer is not so easy to come by since you must have the experience to get there.
I have found a certain truth concerning the events of 9-11-2001 and how it relates to the possibility of a compartmentalized inside operation with the collaboration of foreign intelligence assets. It goes as follows:
Military assets and black bag operatives who’ve been trained and promoted on the basis of their being a “team player” would be far easier to control during and after an operation.
The compartmentalization is part and parcel of such black bag operations. And the occasional threat or bribe to keep someone in line is all too common, especially considering there are unlimited funds for these sorts of things.
And if you might prove to be unmanageable or a security risk, you just might end up disapppeared or better yet, a victim of a service related accident in the War on Terror.
Even so, your blog just plain stinks of disinformation and psychological operations. Anyone who would believe the tripe you have posted here needs to have their head examined.
You have now been outed as a disinformationist. Better go back to your handlers and confess to them that you need additional training. Back to PSYOPS school with you. ;0)
Don Grand Pre exists and has the background he attests to. You obviously feel threatened by his testimony or you wouldn't have chosen to stoop to slander of a war hero to make your points. Further, even if he were a total unknown, all of his points regarding 911 are entirely valid and the mainstream story -- the fiction of the "19 arab terrorists" is still recognizeable to all thinking individuals as the real "conspiracy theory" and an obvious big lie crafted strictly for mentalities who have no resolved yet the existence of Santa or the Easter Bunny.
John P: So does everyone here ignore the fact that none of the names of the hijackers were on the passenger lists or "death" lists.
Maybe it's just because we've all read this:
http://www.911myths.com/html/no_hijackers_on_the_manifests.html
Here's my questioning of Col Donn De Grandpre on the Alex Jones radio show, where he first discussed Col Rick Gibney's confession to shooting down Flight 93. My website was subsequently featured on History Channel's 9/11 Conspiracy, thanks to Benjamin Chertoff editor of Popular Mechanics, nephew of Jewish Israli citizen Michael Chertoff, Bush Jr's director of US Dept of Homeland Security and Wide Open Borders. Chertoff is defined in Russian as "son of the devil".
http://piratenews.org/flight93.html
http://piratenews.org/911con.html
http://september911surprise.com
I find it amusing that little psyop JamesB got ousted...
Wow, the discussion on this page leaves the denialists thoroughly eviscerated. If it wasn't enough that they had to come up with a far-fetched story to explain away the mountain of evidence of Israeli involvement, personal friends of Col. de Grand-Pre show up and completely expose this whole site for a pathetic psyops operation.
How well's that government salary doing easing a conscience burning from selling out the American people JamesB?
PS The only racists bringing up "Joos" are the denialists--not any 9/11 truthers. Quite the pathetic strawman argument. It seems the cognitive ability needed to differentiate between the meaning of the word "Jew" and "Israeli" is on par with the amount needed to recognize a false flag government operation staring you in the face.
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